task oriented kmenu

Various KDE 1.-4. Improvements

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These are my suggestions of a task oriented kmenu. (only pictures)

antibios

16 years ago

It's been a while since you posted this. Have you had anyone else contact you about the development of this? Have you heard of anyone else thinking along these lines? IMHO the menu that we have really isn't all that creative. What I would like to have is a menu system that would allow plugins, so that you could plugin your calendar to display your next appointment and the top 5 tasks. Then plugin the file system so that you could always get quick access to your home dir. Then plug in your contacts and then have the option to send message if they are online (via kopete, which now is more integrated with kaddressbook.)
I have quite a few other ideas about this, and I've sure that they would be fairly easy to do using the karamba extensions, but I think that is would be much better if we can code it in C++ so that it can be put in to the KDE release.

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chiabai

16 years ago

The main problem with menu WinXP type is that it offers too much information confusing to the user. Example: I already know my account user. It is not necessary that one remembers to me whenever I open menu. Or that remembers each task to me that I have not completed. (TODO) (For that KNote or another application that is designed for that) Menu must light and be oriented to the application that I look for, and not to the task that I want to make. It would have to occupy little space and also to offer the maximum possible information on the applications installed or available. (Relation information/space). The macro icons is a space waste (they are pretty but quite useless).Menu "Persons" that it is?. Chat menu?Menu of applications oriented to chat? Useful? It can be... Inadequate for menu of applications? Surely. Everything indicates menu oriented to a work of office, very in the style of MS.But we do not forget the general user. Nonsingle in office atmospheres KDE works. All do not want to speak with others. All are not clerks. All do not work oriented to the task. By I complete, it does not seem to me very creative to take hold menu MS and "translate it" to KDE.

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smash

16 years ago

I think it's just great. KDE really lacks nice menus and this idea would certainly help to make it look nicer. As far as Win XP is concerned, for me it is an example of how desktops should look like.

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smileaf

16 years ago

First windows does have a usability team and all they do is gather ideas on what would make things easier to use. somethings some would argue isn't very user friendly yet in a way we have already copied them in MANY ways
minimize, maximize and close buttons in the upper right hand corner anyone?
that and the idea of a taskbar.
copying good ideas isn't a bad thing at all. but I agree that we should make these good ideas ours.
I don't think the idea is bad. but could have a few improvements. first if this was to be done it should have an option between the new and old style. from the looks of it the only thing really new would be to put the most used apps on the left side instead of on top. this would allow for more used apps to be listed there but at the same time would require more mouse travel distance which I don't like.
I like the run command dialog tho. I have one of those in kicker loaded. so it's not really necessary.
I liked the todo list I'm very forgetful forget names almost immediatly after I'm told them but this should be added in a easy to use way. perhaps add a textedit widget to the menu? that would be the easyest to add anyway. tho it could be taken a lil further to where you click an area and it in a sense adds a new text edit widget that would auto size itself as you type given a certain bountry that is maybe 2-3 lines then after it's deselected would be something like this:
blah blah blah bla...
in a tool tip or when you click the full message is displayed.

the IM implentation is nice too. tho also a lil unnecessary.

might be nice to make some sort of a plugin for the kmenu that would allow the user to plugin different things they would want to see in that side panel.
if this was to be added I would like to see the option for what side you want it to be displayed on left or right.

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antibios

16 years ago

I absolutely love it! Great idea, but I agree that it looks a tiny bit like the WinXP menu. But really who cares? I'm sure it can be easily themed.
The idea of having projects, people and so forth as menus is great and I think would make computing easier. I would also consider having the ToDo list combined with todays events in the calendar.

Good work!

Matt

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nomar

16 years ago

Put the Menu on the left, and the "Quick Acess" icons on the right. This will make "aiming" the mouse at the small menu items easier, while practically not impairing access to the larger quick access icons at all. Th long way th mouse had to travel and the dificulty of aiming where the one thing I most hated about the XP start menu back when when I ran XP on my Laptop.
I do, however, think that a XP-like (improved over the original) K-Menu is a good idea. There is only so much space in the kicker, esecially if you want to leave enough space for the taskbar and maybe some monitoring applets.

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RND

16 years ago

the download links to an image of your menu, sure it should be a program?

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Emon

16 years ago

I simply don't like it. It is too big, not functional and resembles the ugly xp-menu, which is a mess. I don't understand, why people think that copying/resembling xp is the only way to improve functionality. This kind of menu is, IMHO absolutely unintuitive and thus unnecessary.

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jmarcosg

16 years ago

I don't have access to an WindowsXP desktop, and never worked at one, so I had to search for some kind off presentation at ms site, and I think Rene's idea is great if implemented correctly (open source way).First, what I saw at ms site really looks good, but is very ms oriented.If I'm correct, Rene want a tool to personalize the user experience, where the user can register group of tasks and refer which program can perform each task.What I saw at ms site, was near this, but we don't have control over the grouping, which task's we want to perform, which tools we'll use to accomplish each task. We can have a tool that can be customized to look like xp, but can customized to look like other things.I think it's possible to have karamba performing this kind of functionality, but we'll need some facility to permit user customization.

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gigi

16 years ago

I don't agree with you, that kind of menu is one of the things I like more of Windows XP, since it provides a quick and easy way to do everything whithout having to navigate through jungle menus. I'd really like to have such a feature in KDE.
I don't see anything bad in copying a GOOD idea, wherever it comes from.

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arctic

16 years ago

quick and easy way? are you kidding? i used xp before and i found it irritating, frustrating and i am happy, that kde does not have such a messy menu. anyway, you can adjust the kde-menu to your personal taste, so why add such a silly redmond-stuff to kde? and if you want fast access to some programs or folders: what do you think that kicker/kooldock/... and folder-icons on the desktop are good for? they are more than eyecandy. ; P

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aaronf0

16 years ago

this would probably be better a a karamba theme...just wont look good in a menu.

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